#78582 - 02/28/05 10:50 AM
DISCUSSSION topic: Nitrous benefits / pitfalls
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silverbullet
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I have been running a NOS dry manifold system (50 hp shot) for 5 years now since I first got my SiR new. Before I get to the discussion topic, let me first lay out what system and protection devices I am running. As mentioned, I have a 50 hp dry manifold shot (single fogger). For safety, I have a MSD Digital 6 and blaster coil set to retard timing by one degree when I am on nitrous. I also have a window set-up so that I only spray nitrous at wide open throttle and only between 3000 to 7800 RPM. To complement and round off the system, I have a heater blanket, purge valve and remote bottle opener.
Now for my discussion topic. Recently, I have been wooed by all this turbo talk. I am looking at the Greddy kit just because I do not want anything on the wild side. The problem I am strugling with is that I am not sure if turbo is really what it is put up to be in terms of reliability. As nitrous users, we all have dispelled the myths that nitrous is BAD. What should our next phase be if we/I want more power? If I don't want to dump the whole NOS kit, would a turbo NOS set-up be good? Should I simply use the nitrous to cool the intercooler?
In essence, help me decide whether I should keep NOS or drop it for turbo. I know the turbo people will say do it... but I need to hear the arguement go the other way.
Thanks
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Hondata S200 boost option
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#78583 - 02/28/05 08:40 PM
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RealTypeR
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I'd drop it for turbo in a second. Then again, I'm partial to boost cause Nitrous blew my R up
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#78584 - 03/01/05 04:58 AM
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CivicVTi
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Let me guess: You used a 75shot on a stock R, with no timing retard and you used it before 3000rpm! Yes nitrous is dangerous if you do not know how to use it. A stock Honda engine can go through dozens of bottles if used correctly.
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#78585 - 03/01/05 10:28 AM
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silverbullet
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CivicVTi, so you too are in the impression that nitrous is okay provided you take the precautions that I have. In my case though... would you switch over to turbo?
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2000 Civic SiR
JRSC high boost kit (10 PSI)
Hondata S200 boost option
misc complementary go fast parts!!
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
420 Hp / 420 lbs/ft torque
0-60 4.8 sec WET or DRY
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#78587 - 03/01/05 02:09 PM
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99blusi
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Since I've been on both sides of this...
A stock greddy kit is pretty darn reliable. Just keep the boost down and you'll be fine.
I used to run an NX kit before the turbo. My problem was the cost of bottle fills. Here it's 4.50 a lb...and I was burning up 2 bottles a week...I was a freak with the stuff. The reason I switched is because I got sick of running out of power and spending almost $400 a month on fills. Shit gets old quick. I think it's safe enough to run nitrous (MSD window switch, fuel pressure safety switch, WOT switch, bottle heater ect ect...).
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#78588 - 03/01/05 04:08 PM
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silverbullet
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99Bluesi,
Thanks! Actually thanks everyone for the inputs! Bluesi, would you consider running nitrous in conjuction with the Greddy kit? My plan is to use the NOS as a boost controller... run the Greddy at stock boost 95% of the time and IF needed, run a small dose of nitrous (say 15hp shot) for that extra kick. Kind of like using a boost controller for a few seconds. I will ofcourse run all the safety stuff that I have now in conjunction with the turbo.
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It's not all in the parts... it's how you TUNE the car!
2000 Civic SiR
JRSC high boost kit (10 PSI)
Hondata S200 boost option
misc complementary go fast parts!!
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
420 Hp / 420 lbs/ft torque
0-60 4.8 sec WET or DRY
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#78589 - 03/01/05 04:09 PM
Re: DISCUSSSION topic: Nitrous benefits / pitfalls
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CivicVTi
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We can write hundreds of post 'quarreling' which is better. THere is no definite answer. I chose the nitrous way (Hondata controlled NOS kit) for some reasons. I can tell you my reasons:
1. It is power-on-demand.
2. I can remove the kit in a couple of hours and sell it
3. I am not planning to spray over 40hp so the bottle should last quite a lot
4. I have Hondata and the setup will be VERY safe
5. I cannot afford a turbo kit right now
6. I will still have a 10.8 compression ratio which means very good mileage
7. I am still NA most of the times (very good throttle response etc)
Of course, turbo/supercharger would be much faster with just 6psi (I am only runnign a 40hp shot) but I do not care. I also do not have the BOV sound. But I also do not have the temperatures of a turbo setup. On the contrary, nitrous cools things down.
My point is that it is a matter of choice. I see Nitrous as an introduction to FI power. If/when I blow my engine, I will build it stronger and then I might consider going turbo/SC. And that is if I see that I spend too much on refills. Till then...(safe) nitrous rocks
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#78590 - 03/01/05 05:01 PM
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silverbullet
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thanks CivicVTi,
Can you please let me know how/what hondata set-up you are running and how your system exactly works? Are you still using stock injectors? Are you running a dry manifold system? Do you know how/if we can jet a dry manifold system to shoot less than 40 hp? Trying to do what I have mentioned above
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It's not all in the parts... it's how you TUNE the car!
2000 Civic SiR
JRSC high boost kit (10 PSI)
Hondata S200 boost option
misc complementary go fast parts!!
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
420 Hp / 420 lbs/ft torque
0-60 4.8 sec WET or DRY
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#78591 - 03/02/05 09:32 AM
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CivicVTi
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I am running an S200 unit with RC 310cc injectors to provide the additional fuel for my shot. It is basically a NOS 05122 dry kit but with no fuel solenoid (no need to raise the fuel pressure. Hondata opens the injectors more and provides necessary fuel). You can jet a dry kit down to 5hp if you want this way. There are many online jet calculators.
Make sure someone tunes your car good with nitrous. Hondata can provide timing retard and RPM windows so it is very safe (as long as tuned right).
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#78592 - 03/02/05 12:14 PM
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99blusi
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I would rather have a dual stage boost controller for the extra kick. Nitrous and a turbo is kind of a bitch to tune. It's easier, cheaper and safer to use a nice boost controller.
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#78593 - 03/02/05 04:48 PM
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civicsidude
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realtyper actually did not have a stock honda and it was tuned,
he ran thru about 50-75 bottles thru the car with no problem, he just forgot to change the plugs even after i told him and boom
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#78594 - 03/02/05 05:47 PM
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silverbullet
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How do you know if it is time to change the plugs? Is there some kind of sign on the plugs itself???
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It's not all in the parts... it's how you TUNE the car!
2000 Civic SiR
JRSC high boost kit (10 PSI)
Hondata S200 boost option
misc complementary go fast parts!!
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
420 Hp / 420 lbs/ft torque
0-60 4.8 sec WET or DRY
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#78596 - 03/03/05 06:00 PM
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silverbullet
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Who still uses nitrous here and how often on the average per month do you spray??
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It's not all in the parts... it's how you TUNE the car!
2000 Civic SiR
JRSC high boost kit (10 PSI)
Hondata S200 boost option
misc complementary go fast parts!!
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
420 Hp / 420 lbs/ft torque
0-60 4.8 sec WET or DRY
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#78597 - 03/04/05 07:39 AM
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Cap
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i havent sprayed in a while due to a bad clutch. I have a new built motor on the way so i'll probably hang tight till the new setup is in place. My car has seen AT LEAST 30 bottles go through it. I currenty have 147k on the car and have no qualms about spraing if i need to. The bottle is still in place, full and all systems are go. when i was racing a lot i was at the track twice to three times a week and went through on average 2 bottles a week.
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#78598 - 03/04/05 07:40 AM
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Cap
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btw i'm only building a motor because i want to break low 11s on spray. it has been done on a stock motor but i like the securinty of forged internals and sleeves.
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#78599 - 03/04/05 10:32 AM
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silverbullet
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WOW Cap! That is awesome. I have heard of great times while on the bottle, but 11's???? I like the power while on the bottle, but when off, the car is ofcourse weak. I was wondering if besides the I/H/E deal, if there is anything else we can do to our engines to give it more pep when off the nitrous. I was thinking of cams... but don't know which ones would be good with nitrous. Anyone with info?
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It's not all in the parts... it's how you TUNE the car!
2000 Civic SiR
JRSC high boost kit (10 PSI)
Hondata S200 boost option
misc complementary go fast parts!!
2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
420 Hp / 420 lbs/ft torque
0-60 4.8 sec WET or DRY
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#9078293 - 07/13/17 01:29 AM
Re: DISCUSSSION topic: Nitrous benefits / pitfalls
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