Would this best be run with: Stock cams CTR cams Skunk stage 1 cams
Rev limit would be set higher for the CTR or skunk cams, so factor that. And of course, what setup would offer greatest gains overall, ie, just running skunks with no plate VS CTR or stock cams with the plate. Just need some opinions on this, I already have the I/H/E. Also, since I came across a setup cheap, this will be tuned with a hondata.
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06 Nissan Pathfinder SE 06 MS6 04 Seadoo GTX wake edition - GPS top speed 62.3 mph w/ no mods
Dont go for it. Its like breathing through a straw. Ive seen with my own eyes the Hondata intake manifold gasket beat spoon's ona dyno test. I donno, just my input. (it's not like it lost horsepower, but Hondata is much cheaper and pulled out more on the dyno sheet)
I think stock cams, I think the theory is that you have to give up top end power but you gain mid range, so why buy high rpm cams when you're going to choke them out?
I got it, so if I want a small midrange gain go with the plate, if I want to make some decent power go hondata gasket with skunk cams. Makes sense, thanks guys.
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06 Nissan Pathfinder SE 06 MS6 04 Seadoo GTX wake edition - GPS top speed 62.3 mph w/ no mods
I used my Ventuli plate with Toda Spec B cams. Midrange was very strong but topend did suffer. I like the setup, gave my B16 some punch!! Depending on were you want to make your power is the deciding factor for getting the Ventuli plate.
BTW, Hondata and Ventuli plate are two completely different designs and make power in to completely different ways. Hondata isolates heat to make power, Spoon changes air flow config to make power.
ITR cams with ventulli plate for a strong midrange and decent top end a good idea? I have a 4-2-1 header too. I would probably run this setup with a redline no higher than 8400, probably shift at about 8 - 8.2. I hear the ITR cams have a very nice midrange, more so than even the skunks. Thoughts on this setup, its a street car and might see some autoX this coming season, not really going to make this a drag queen. Thinking of also tossing a heatshield of some kind for the intake and an exedy clutch flywheel combo as well. Would cam gears be a good idea with ITR cams or a waste?
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06 Nissan Pathfinder SE 06 MS6 04 Seadoo GTX wake edition - GPS top speed 62.3 mph w/ no mods
you will have something similar to this. thin red line (bottom) is the 1st run torque #'s
mods are as follows.
98 ITR short block, 11:1 apprx. B16 head CASTING b16 valves 2001 ITR cams ITR springs and retainers Mugen headgasket b16 intake manifold b16 thorttle body spoon ventuli plate AEM CAI exedy clutch fidaza flywheel 98 ITR ECU VAFC Mugen Gyhmkhana header ITR exahust Mugen Muffler Quaiffe Gods speed test pipe
we ended up with vtec at 5100rpms. Air fuel was kinda wacky, all over the place, got it better but still very rich at the top end. Tried to lean it out but lost power so we left it in its stock setting.
Still have A/C, and PS. on 93 octane reformulated crap.
I built the car for midrange so i could better compete in Street Mod at autoX. It does very well and has great midrange power for daily driving. I know i need to get a ITR manifold/TB and lose the ventuli plate and then i might put down some better numbers. But for now this is all shes got. Its great I can bust the tires loose in 2nd gear but it just kinda feels slow at the top end. I shift at 8K cause it puts me in the best part of the power band for the next gear. 3rd and fourth gears are the strongest. It was fun before i tuned it where i jumped 20whp at vtec engagement, but now its less pronounced and cant feel it as much. around 6 grand though the car feels awesome.
but this is with the gymkhana and the b16 intake manifold, im sure the top end will improve greatly with a different IM. cause well after driving the car for a summer, i miss teh top end pull, cause it sucks. On the other hand it keeps me from redlining it all the time.....
You could give it a try. I would think that ITR cams or Stock cams would be suitable. Like everyone else mentioned your top end will suffer, but given the right combination of parts you can build a car with a little more midrange.
Given stock or mild cams, and I/H/E I think it's debatable whether total area under the curve is actually increased or reduced, instead your powerband may just shift down a few RPMs. Will this make you faster? Depends on the situation.
Let me know I have a friend with a Ventuli for sale. He's talking it off because he is going with bigger cams.
As noted, the Spoon Ventuli plate and Hondata piece serve different purposes. Hondata gains can be attributed to change in air temp, whereas Spoon gains are the result of a change in air flow volume, and velocity.
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You could use Spoon cams with the ventuli plate. I have new set available if interested. I was going the same route until I sold my car, and have a lot of new or slightly used parts.
