#7790113 - 07/24/14 09:58 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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OK stickaz--I actually had you in mind for today's ride. As promised, I did my 17.5 mile flat path flat out. Missed the 20mph average by .3 mph.  I was KILLING myself for that average speed! There was a minor headwind in some sections that I had to muscle through, but it's also an out-and-back course.
Some screenshots:
2 mile warmup/2 mile cooldown before/after that run, FWIW.
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#7790143 - 07/24/14 10:25 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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im going to go out and do a 1 hr TT effort here after this weekend. this is my longest TT segment i have a time for, and this was 2 years ago.
which is almost 25 mph
i have a shorter one
at almost 26
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#7790144 - 07/24/14 10:25 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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The Mighty BellRacer
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Mile 9 rocked ya.
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#7790149 - 07/24/14 10:29 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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But dayum nigga you fast doe 
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#7790160 - 07/24/14 10:37 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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i have another 100 mile mtb race sat but next week ill go do a 10 mile out and back and see what i get 
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#7790166 - 07/24/14 10:48 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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I'll have tissues handy so I may weep freely after seeing your result.  
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#7790603 - 07/25/14 10:26 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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stickaz_old
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Pretty sick dude. I now believe firmly (once again) that you are faster than me. The other guys in here I don't think I could even draft heh.
I'm considering scouting a 40km route to train on but I'd rather get on the MTB and get some fun in (and hills), ah well.
G@mby were u in aero bars on that? I always ride like that now lol cry
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#7791755 - 07/26/14 12:08 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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No aerobars (steering with my elbows and no brakes scares me). That was 2/3 in the hoods and 1/3 in the drops. 
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#7792502 - 07/26/14 08:21 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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So today I raced Wilderness 101 in Coburn, PA which is close to PSU in State College. The weather was supposed to be nice all weekend so all I brought to the race was my summer skin suit which is mostly mesh. I wake up around 5am and hear rain. shit. It was 58 degrees and raining and I had nothing warm. I was like this is going to suck so bad. Well the race started at 7am and the rain stopped 15 min or so later. So we roll out on a neutral start for a few miles until the first climb. Neutral by no means, means slow. I rolled up front with the pros and guys who would win their respective classes, we we were rolling all of 20mph on the road. We get to the first climb and I settle into my own pace and not worry about the other around me. Its going to be a long day I kept telling myself. The first climb was a hefty cat3 climb, 4.5 miles at 5% and over 1000ft of gain. This was just the first of a full day of cat2 and cat3 climbs. The group separated and I slid back off the front group and was in a group of about 15 others. We crest the hill and our group was solidly together with no one in sight behind or in front. We rode pretty hard, taking turns at the front and low and behold about 50 minutes in, we caught the lead group. The pace seemed awfully slow for the leaders but I wasnt complaining. I knew it wouldnt last forever. I even worked my way through and sat on Jeremiah Bishop's wheel a bit on the flat sections. Felt so pro We rolled into aid station 1 which was 19 miles into the race in a swift 1 hour and 9 minutes. From there we made a turn off the gravel roads into the first double track climb of the day and this is where the race splintered. I made sure to keep my own pace and not ride about what I wanted to do. The rest of the day was pretty much this. Climb a gravel road for 20-40 minutes and bomb back down on the biggest, rockiest, worst single track you could think of. Its like they thought "what is the worst way to bring these guys back down?" Bouncing over rocks with both wheels locked and sliding while death gripping the bars was not much fun. I rode most of the singletrack like a little bitch. Luckily there wasn't much of it since when I would get to the bottom, it hurt to open my hands. I felt like I was riding really strong at my current pace so I just stuck with it. I was with 4 or 5 guys that I would yo yo with. They would pass me on the downhill and Id catch back up on the hills. This was pretty much the whole race...gravel up, single track down. Towards the end I dropped the guys I was with and with 10 to go, I put my head down and pushed. I was hoping to get a top 20 but I ended up 27th in my class and 31st overall out of a little over 200. My race time was 8 hours 11 minutes.
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#7792506 - 07/26/14 08:27 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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Elevation
the three climbs in the middle were the worst.
Edited by nato2377 (07/26/14 08:44 PM)
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#7792541 - 07/26/14 09:03 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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#7792667 - 07/26/14 11:08 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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OK your definitely faster than.
Meh. Give it time. Good segment doe
That sounds like misery, nato. 8+ hours of misery.
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#7795181 - 07/28/14 07:16 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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OK your definitely faster than. Meh. Give it time. Good segment doe That sounds like misery, nato. 8+ hours of misery.
it wasnt actually that bad. it was def the "easiest" one so far. i mean, the climbs werent super steep, just loooong, there wasnt much single track, but it did suck...crazy rocky. dont get me wrong, it was hard, and i was pooped but it didnt break me like mohican did. i have shenandoah 100 aug 31 which will be my last one, what dat 16 mile climb do doe
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#7797247 - 07/29/14 08:13 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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I am not a nato3204820394 to give advice, so wait for him to chime in. All I am saying is your rides are always at like 50% effort or something.
Take one day and go balls to the wall, see what you are capable of At least get your max HR up. 147? That's my avg when reading CSI OT.
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#7797269 - 07/29/14 08:26 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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i firmly believe the more hills you ride, the faster you will get. even when i do recovery days, i climb. just slow.
This seems to be the most common/correct advice from anyone worth listening to. All the fast guys are out there doing hills/hill repeats/etc.
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#7797475 - 07/29/14 10:50 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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JT
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hankering to pick of a fixed gear/ss for winter training - worth it? i tend to switch to singlespeed mtb after races end in Nov
I just built up another one out of boredom, tons of fun. Go for it!
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#7797519 - 07/29/14 11:36 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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Something to be said for building base miles, but yeah, hills, especially on a singlespeed, make you stronger and thus faster.
Speaking of hills, another PR for tonight's TT
Official time was 35:57, so yeah--stoked to finally break into the 35's. 
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#7797628 - 07/30/14 07:04 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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What elevation?
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#7798161 - 07/30/14 11:00 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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Mapmyride kinda sucks with elevation. It says that climb is something like a 3 or 400ft gain, but I dunno. It's a bitch of a 3-tiered climb over a couple of miles and then there's a a few miles of descents at the end.
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#7799354 - 07/31/14 12:19 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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So in other words--duh. I look at people like [less_than_mike] or nato or the other people that put up these crazy ~23+mph segments and I'm very impressed. The amount of work required for me to get there must be insane. However I know I can quickly get my 10k pace down to sub 8:00 miles 
Keep in mind, in this "everyone gets a trophy" time we're in, we still have to accept that there is such a thing as natural talent. Nato has it, as does shamrok. Keep trying to improve and see what happens. If I got discouraged by others, I wouldn't even bother time trialing. I race the clock.
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#7802664 - 08/02/14 01:15 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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@nato
What's your cadence like on your rides...difference between regular riding days during the week vs. race day, etc.
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#7802914 - 08/02/14 06:54 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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gamby
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OK--maybe only nato has the natural talent 
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#7803093 - 08/02/14 09:49 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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Cycling doesn't require talent, there is no skill (talking about road here, not mtb). You get out what you put into it.
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