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#8752926 - 08/08/16 09:42 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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 Originally Posted By: robbbby
So you just sticking mostly to road now and giving up on the mtb racing?


for this year yea..theres really not that much xc races out here...if there are then im having a hard time finding them... im gonna try to cat up on the road and just do the bigger UCI races for mtb i think

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#8753042 - 08/09/16 12:28 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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I'm surprised you're not doing the leadville 100 this weekend.
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#8753211 - 08/09/16 10:39 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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I just averaged 20.3 mph over a 6 mile segment over the weekend. Thought you guys would be super interested to hear that

You mean a trainer/zwift segment, right?
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#8753413 - 08/09/16 01:02 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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nope! . Also this morning did 20+ into a headwind over ~5 miles

come at me lol
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#8753470 - 08/09/16 01:32 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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I missed the lottery and I didn't do any of the qualifying races...its on the list. I'd like to do breck epic too
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#8753472 - 08/09/16 01:33 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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I almost went and raced pierres hole 100 in Wyoming this past weekend because Sagan was there doing the 50k race

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#8755294 - 08/10/16 01:35 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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I also went full roadie and bought a s-works evade aero road helmet
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#8755483 - 08/10/16 03:23 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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the specialized helmets look a bit goofy compared to a lot of the other offerings out there but good god are they ever light
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#8755744 - 08/10/16 05:55 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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im really digging it so far and i like the looks of it the best out of all the other aero road stuff. but yeah its hit or miss looks wise. dimension wise is smaller than my old helmet.
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#8759615 - 08/13/16 08:54 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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rode from loveland to estes park and into rocky mountain national park today. 45, yes, 45 MILE climb. 5k-12100ft. took me 3hrs and 40min. 90mi and 8100 climb on the day. heres some pics. just for you robby. enjoy canada :P











12100ft in RMNP
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#8759805 - 08/14/16 06:01 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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45mile, 2200m climb? That sounds absolutely amazing. I need to move, I live in the worst part of Canada for riding.
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#8760127 - 08/14/16 04:10 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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 Originally Posted By: robbbby
45mile, 2200m climb? That sounds absolutely amazing. I need to move, I live in the worst part of Canada for riding.


yeah dude 45 miles. heres the profile


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#8760130 - 08/14/16 04:12 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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i think im pretty well acclimated. i felt great at 12k ft aside from the fact that i just climbed 3.5+ hours to even get there and with the 28mph race the other week..think im good. i def fatigue fast at hard efforts but i havent done any of that training so thats to be expected. i just do a lot of moderate and tempo stuff. just enjoying the riding the rest of the year and race for fun
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#8760159 - 08/14/16 04:44 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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3.5 hours up, how long to get down?

No mountains anywhere near me but I do my best with the couple little hills around here. Managed to climb 11,200' this week and 10,800' last week. I'd obviously love it a lot more if it wasn't so much constant up/down though.
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#8765711 - 08/18/16 07:05 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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Hey, so here I am
40 miles of commuting ~ 5 miles/trip
2-3x 10-15 milers (long commutes for fun
~1 20-30 miler every other week.

I've done my first metric century(solo for fun), and full century.

I've got 6 weeks till the thick of CX season.(Series I prefer starts in october, another series starts sooner)
4 weeks till another century I was debating.

Given my lack of a clear goal. What should I be doing? Just keeping adding miles to long ride? Adding intensity? Doing sprints for CX benefits?
I've never really "trained" besides some semblance of seat time and some semblance of intensity.
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#8767706 - 08/20/16 08:21 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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 Originally Posted By: robbbby
3.5 hours up, how long to get down?

No mountains anywhere near me but I do my best with the couple little hills around here. Managed to climb 11,200' this week and 10,800' last week. I'd obviously love it a lot more if it wasn't so much constant up/down though.


1hr 45 down lol thats still good bit of climbing though just sucks you dont have much variety
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#8767711 - 08/20/16 08:23 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Hey, so here I am
40 miles of commuting ~ 5 miles/trip
2-3x 10-15 milers (long commutes for fun
~1 20-30 miler every other week.

I've done my first metric century(solo for fun), and full century.

I've got 6 weeks till the thick of CX season.(Series I prefer starts in october, another series starts sooner)
4 weeks till another century I was debating.

Given my lack of a clear goal. What should I be doing? Just keeping adding miles to long ride? Adding intensity? Doing sprints for CX benefits?
I've never really "trained" besides some semblance of seat time and some semblance of intensity.


add miles to your long ride and do shorter rides at high intensity and intervals to get into cx shape
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#8767723 - 08/20/16 08:32 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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whew was on the struggle bus today

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#8769568 - 08/22/16 09:34 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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Bonking is the absolute worst feeling. Happened to me once this year, maybe 12-15km from home. Those few km's felt like the longest ride of my life.

Don't you bring food with you knowing that you're going out to do a century? I know i'd have a couple clif bars and a ziploc bag filled with a handful of dates on me.
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#8770684 - 08/23/16 11:26 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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i bonked so hard a few weeks ago with 1mile to go w/ leg cramps so bad i just sat on the side of the road for 20 min before i could stand and someone stopped and gave me water. it wasnt even that hard of a ride. idk wtf was up that day. took me over an hour to go the last 5 miles.

i usually carry some but i was riding through enough towns i figured they would at least have a gas station. i was gonna get food 2 hours in but i came in on the west side of town and the gas station there had no store, just pumps, but i felt good and had enough water so i figured id just ride the next 15 miles to the next town. get there. nothing. ok, ill make it to ward another 10 miles. 8houses. fuck guess im riding another 17 to nederland which ive actually been to and knew had food. basically 40 miles mostly uphill. good times.
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#8771078 - 08/24/16 11:54 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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Did 30 this weekend, most of it was low effort (4/10), but threw in a a couple 300w 5 minute efforts(Strava measured)

Supposed to be hot this week, but will try to make tomorrows commute add up to 15 miles of 7/10ths effort.

When do I shave my legs?
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#8771170 - 08/24/16 12:59 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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damn, I load up on food for a ~50 miler lol. come at me. I make no assumptions about being able to find food anywhere. ~200 calories/hour or I'm going to have a bad time at some point for sure
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#8771456 - 08/24/16 04:34 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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So for you that 50 miler should be like 1200 calories?

I think I ate 3k+ during my century, lol.

I can barely make 90 minutes without food in all honesty
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#8771463 - 08/24/16 04:42 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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nah, unless thats a tee-hee comment [~18 mph is pretty normal for me w/light hills to avg w/stoplights], so like ~500 calories is plenty
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#8771473 - 08/24/16 04:48 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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#8771671 - 08/24/16 07:24 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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 Originally Posted By: nato2377
i bonked so hard a few weeks ago with 1mile to go w/ leg cramps so bad i just sat on the side of the road for 20 min before i could stand and someone stopped and gave me water. it wasnt even that hard of a ride. idk wtf was up that day. took me over an hour to go the last 5 miles.

i usually carry some but i was riding through enough towns i figured they would at least have a gas station. i was gonna get food 2 hours in but i came in on the west side of town and the gas station there had no store, just pumps, but i felt good and had enough water so i figured id just ride the next 15 miles to the next town. get there. nothing. ok, ill make it to ward another 10 miles. 8houses. fuck guess im riding another 17 to nederland which ive actually been to and knew had food. basically 40 miles mostly uphill. good times.


Do you just bring water in your bottles or do you load them up with eload/gu/etc? The only time I bring plain water is if it's a recovery ride, any other ride and I fill up on eload.
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#8771753 - 08/24/16 08:51 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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i usually use nuun. they ride i bonked on was only 3 hours lol just an off day i guess. it was 103 too so that played a role.
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#8774820 - 08/28/16 09:27 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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I was pretty happy with myself this week, did 4000m elevation and was just shy of hitting 14 hours, not my best week but pretty good overall. Then I saw this...

https://www.strava.com/athletes/13284524
https://www.strava.com/athletes/4414579

50+ hours a week for the one dude and nearly half a million meters elevation gain in 2016 for the other guy. absolutely insane. i'm sure there are plenty of other examples
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#8774965 - 08/29/16 03:41 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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14 hours is a strong week, 12 is big for me.

i always wonder what those people do for work, if they work at all
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#8774970 - 08/29/16 05:39 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: nato2377]
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I assumed with the huge rides you do you would have quite a few hours.
My goal is to shoot for 12/week, according to strava my avg. is 12hr43min a week over the last 4 weeks.

There is no way people like that work at all, they are logging more hours riding than I work in a week. Seems like riding that much wouldn't actually be enjoyable.
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#8775440 - 08/29/16 12:38 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: robbbby]
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I was feeling good about 6 & 7 hours. (albeit in many small sections/lol mostly commute)

So based on advice, I'm now doing 30-40 sundays and at least one hard pace ride. However I'm probalby a bit more casual in my stop.go efforts of commuting(it has been high 90s in the afternoons)
Given the difficulty of finding uninrupted road my 9/10s efforts will probably be a series of 5 minute intervals or 20 minuts effots.

I did find a 12 mile loop recently with no lights/stop signs, deadflat (good/bad I suppose). I may turn that into an training loop
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#8776098 - 08/29/16 09:52 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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Tried the racing shit. Little scary. Lots of fun

Novice group had a team with a ride along coach?
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#8776374 - 08/30/16 10:27 AM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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Full report, lol dael with it.

Novice group, field of 17. about 9 members on one team, 3 on another, about 4-5 unaffiliated riders. One other NOOB like me. Most others seemed like they'd been doing most the season (weekly series). Nerves high.

Dead flat course, high 70s, low wind, glare was an issue due to late evening. 1.8m road race corse, back third had chicanes.

General vibe:
Way scarier than CX. The speed, the closeness, the movements, the jockeying. I thought I'd be unflinchable, as for some reason I ride close all the time. Like I'm just agro I guess. I'd also say it was slightly easier in total, maybe due to short duration (6 laps,11.8mi for novice)


For first 1-2 laps I was towards upper 3rd, slowly got forced back by team dynamics.
However by lap 4 the movements got increasingly erratic as people got tired and more aggressive. The large team was mostly functioning as a team, except for their weaker third. Despite still feeling mostly good I was slowly dropping back as I kept getting out of aero advantage. However I felt good and we were still a single pack.
Last lap (6) on 1.9mi course and I didn't like my position so I worked myself up 2-3 spots before sharp corners.
On corners the group started to split to 2
On sharp corners I did a couple inside passess to get to lead of rear group. Taking wind to face, but saw open field/no traffic through last corner. That set me up for a lot of speed on back .5mi sprint.

Luckily I make some power, despite having shitty aero(28mm tires on stock set-up gravel grinder, discs brakes, etc). Passing
I mentally heard "grab a wheel" shouted by the team's coach. I'm thinking, give it a try...lol
with about 150m to go I'm running out of steam. Deep onto hooks (back flat, maybe), powering still in saddle(Should I have risen?), I can hold speed but i"m not gaining much, can see there's no way I'll close last 10m on next guy so I let myself enjoy my pace.

Finished 3rd out of field. Like I said, last 1/2 lap I went from tail to that position. I should have made a move a little sooner. While my cornering is solid enough to made the moves I did I spend excess energy as the pack spread out in the corners and I was moving positions.
I'm lucky I'm more powerful than this group. That said, my strategy for laps 1-4 was solid. A little better strategy at end and I could have move to vying for first.

Next year maybe cat 5?
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#8776802 - 08/30/16 02:35 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: ]
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sit and kick eh?
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#8776877 - 08/30/16 03:10 PM Re: Cyclists that race - training [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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More trying not to make a fools of myself thinking I could pull the pack. But also taking advantage of aero.

I was worried I kicked too soon/hard as I was blowing by everyone and couldn't quite believe it.
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