And I have no faith in the turbo 4 as far as modding goes. But we shall see...

I think I posted a link a week ago of one of the korean shops with an early one throwing a GT30R on and making almost 400 HP...


wait... here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

We have a pre-production one driving around here in Newport Beach. Awesome car... at least in motion.

Someone snapped at a guy on EvoM for saying the motors are the same. He pointed out huge differences that shops found between the Caliber SRT4 motor and the 4B11T,and also pointed out the big differences alone between a Mitsu Lancer 4B11 and an Evo X 4B11.

I'll try to find it if anyone wants.

I'd like to take a look at that if you happen to come across it again

Im totally paraphrasing,but I remember it as the head being completely different,the block having different sleeves,and the internals were different,except MAYBE the crankshaft.

Ok, let's start with, Oh...what's that?... NOT FORGED MAHLE PISTONS LIKE THE 4B11 IN THE X!? Oh no... they're cast. Second, the SRT4 uses a balance shaft, something that the 4B11 doesn't need because of it's DIFFERENT, LESS VIBRATION PRONE, AND MORE REV FRIENDLY SQUARE BORE AND STROKE DESIGN. Third, the exhaust valves are different, as is the entire cylinder head design. It shares it's basic layout but that's it. Different valve design, different port design, etc.

Fourth, the crank is obviously different because the stroke is different, but the important thing worth mentioning is that the crank is shared with the N/A caliber version as well. Although still forged, it is not a crossdrilled and FULLY COUNTERWEIGHTED unit like the one in the 4B11. Fifth, as I mentioned earlier in a different post, the sleeve and water jacket design are different. The variable cam timing system are totally different as well. Anyone who knows anything about engine design would agree that the differences in these two motors are night and day.

Aside from the basic structure of the block on the outside, they are worlds apart. Oh, and don't ever assume that because you work at a dealership that you know more than someone who doens't. Every salesman or manager that I've ever talked to at any dealership knows about as much technical details on the cars that they sell as I know about nuclear physics. Who's talking out of their a** now? Have a nice day

To achieve its high-performance Dodge Caliber SRT4 configuration, the aluminium 2.4-litre World Engine block is specially machined for increased water and oil flow. Unique cast pistons travel within iron cylinder liners, and are cooled by oil squirters and affixed to forged connecting rods for high-revving reliability.

Tri-metal bearings are used for the connecting rods and crankshaft for high-performance durability. A unique oil pump/balance shaft module keeps the reciprocating assembly well-lubricated and running smoothly. An external cooler keeps oil temperatures within a safe range.

The aluminium cylinder heads are also a World Engine casting equipped with unique high-temperature exhaust valves. VVT uses computer mapping to open and close intake and exhaust valves at optimal points for efficient combustion and flow. The camshaft and micro-alloy steel crankshaft, shared with the non-turbocharged 2.4-litre World Engine, are fully capable of handling these high-horsepower loads.

Free-flow induction begins with an all-new air cleaner assembly that draws through an opening in a front chassis cross member for proximity to cool air. The air is then compressed in a TD04 turbocharger specially configured for the engine’s inlet and outlet packaging requirements, and sent through an intercooler to a 57mm throttle body.

Here is an article citing info from Pete Gladysz, Senior Manager – Powertrain, SRT.

They use the same block as a base, but that's it. They aren't cast the same way, or designed the same way. The internals in the X are much stronger, the actual bracing of the block is stronger, the sleeve design and water jacket are totally different, the cylinder head is much better on the X, the variable cam timing system on the X is far superior, the list goes on and on. You have no idea what you are talking about if you think that the caliber srt-4's engine can hold a candle to the 4b11 in the X.

I think it looks sexy as hell. I debated waiting for them to hit the lots when I was shopping in November, but I didn't want a coupe very much and defiantly not one with a useless backseat, so that kinda ruled it out. IMO it looks better than the 370Z, although I'm sure the 370Z will win out in performance. If only they had made a V8 model, I just might have reconsidered my need for a usable backseat lol.

I know it's not 1998 anymore, but i really wish those were 2800lbs and not 3300lbs.

The aluminum alloy engine block, which is formed using high-pressure die-cast method, has a unique Metaldyne-supplied cassette-type balance shaft module with a two-stage oil pump built-in. In the lower-end, the block is reinforced by a ladder frame. Other notable features include fracture-split sinter-forged connecting rods and stainless-steel exhaust manifold.

Id have to ask Scooter,but are we enjoying hot rod Hyundais on the backs of slave labor? Its an honest question.

Fourth, Congress and the Obama administration must make sure that our nations trade policies promote fair trade, not so-called free trade that fails to provide a level playing field and instead places our domestic automakers at a significant competitive disadvantage. In particular, prompt action needs to be taken to eliminate unfair currency manipulation by China and Japan. In addition, Congress and the Obama administration should insist that the U.S.-Korea free trade agreement must be renegotiated to require that Korea dismantle the non-tariff barriers that have kept its market closed to U.S.-built automotive products, before it is granted any further access to the U.S. market.

To complete the off-topic rant,I really like how the fat cat politicians are going to bitch at the bankers and other elites for doing the same crap they do.

Speaking of new cars,Scott,how excited are you about the new Alfas?

And to stay on topic-Impulsive,arent the coupes supposed to be like a repop of the Nissan Saliva?

I wasnt going to add fuel to the fire,but since you brought it up,the Evo guys were saying the Hyundai had a pretty disappointing interior.

I thought Hyundai had this aimed at the 370Z (in terms of performance, features, and price)?

I like Hyundai, but IMO they have a really big head to think that people are actually cross-shopping the Vera Cruz, Genesis Sedan and Genesis Coupe against the RX430's, LS460's and the G37. I wish they were more like Mazda, making great cars for the sake of making great cars without trying so hard to let everyone know who their target is. Whether or not Hyundai's approach is working, I don't know but I find it really tacky.

If you're gonna bitch about weight nowadays, you might as well go home and just look at old cars.

I'm very interested in the 2.0t version. If you're gonna bitch about weight nowadays, you might as well go home and just look at old cars. New cars are heavier, we've got to learn to accept that. Too many safety requirements and all of that. Moddability is going to be a big factor for me; if this thing can get to mid 12s without swapping the turbo I think it's a WIN. That and the reliability factor. I can't wait to test drive one.

The c5z to me is old. To me new is everything that is currently being produced.
But besides the Vettes, and the Elise, underpowered Miata and a few others I can't think of there are not many new RWD cars that weign less than 3300-3400lbs. The main reason Vettes weign so little have to do with their powertrain imo. Do you suggest they put pushrods in most modern cars? Not gonna happen. Nothing wrong with pushrods as far as I'm concerned, but no manufacturer is willing to go low tech nowadays, not even when they see what the Z06 and zr-1 can do performancewise at a relatively low cost.

The c5z to me is old. To me new is everything that is currently being produced.
But besides the Vettes, and the Elise, underpowered Miata and a few others I can't think of there are not many new RWD cars that weign less than 3300-3400lbs. The main reason Vettes weign so little have to do with their powertrain imo. Do you suggest they put pushrods in most modern cars? Not gonna happen. Nothing wrong with pushrods as far as I'm concerned, but no manufacturer is willing to go low tech nowadays, not even when they see what the Z06 and zr-1 can do performancewise at a relatively low cost.

You mean perceived low tech.

Do you think that 90% of the car buying public knows and/or cares if their car is SOHC, DOHC, pushrod, N/A, turbo, VTEC, etc?

I am not against GM for putting old school stuff in their cars because obviously it works.

What exactly is high tech about the z06 powertrain or the Zr1 powertrain?