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#106004 - 09/02/05 01:11 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	if it were me, I'd still have it part-throttle tuned to clean up the a/f ratio. u def dont want some detonation to start going on if its running to lean. _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106005 - 09/02/05 08:21 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Yeah I know, more problems more money more problems. Ok, I have a question regarding the Hondata system. I have the base model S200 which has the interface blue box, interface cable, datalog cable and some little chips. Could I just get the conversion harness for the P28 and then add the S200 and tune? Or do I have to have the little chips installed in the ECU for it to work? The guy I bought it from said the ECU was already chipped. . .but I don't really sure. Is there a way to tell on the ECU to know if its chipped and with what; eg. are there specific ICs in it that were not in it as stock, or virgin ECU? I know thats a lot. . . any help is appreciated.
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#106006 - 09/03/05 02:09 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	yes, first u need to buy a conversion harness. u have an 99-00 Si right? So u need an obd1-obd2b harness. Jhpusa.com sells nice ones for very cheap. call ur local hondata tuner. ask him if he sockets the ecu's for hondata? or if not then does he know anyone around who does? most likely he does it himself. (i suck at electronics, so this part wont be to technical, but u'll get the idea). drive there. give him ur p28 ecu & the hondata s200. he'll socket the system into ur ecu so that the little red wires w/ the plug on the end will run from the inside of ur ecu to the outside. that plug plugs into the blue box. ur tuner will then also probably burn a base map he feels suitable for ur app & chip it into the ecu or something. then he'll put u on the dyno. do some part throttle tuning. then full throttle. _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106007 - 09/03/05 10:12 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Hondata tuner about an hour from me, that is, one that was listed on their site. Its already socketed then cause it has the red/black wire running out the ECU. I'll post a pic of what I have later, I don't have my camera right now.
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#106008 - 09/04/05 01:21 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	http://www.importbuilders.com/breakinarticle.htm u should read this article. it explains why its dangerous to drive it around to "break it in" before u tune it. i just don't want all ur work destroyed cuz u got a sweet motor there. _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106009 - 09/05/05 02:00 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Thanks for the article, even though I read it sometime ago, the refresher is good. I am now wanting to go get it tuned quickly but it doesn't make sense until I can get an FPR and some bigger injectors. Well I guess I am at the stage where I am driving to see if anything is wrong. I was really surprised and happy to know that after putting the entire motor together, there was only one oil leak. . .which is now fixed so no oil leaks currently. One problem thats getting me now is that there is a knocking sound coming from the tranny and I really don't know what it is. . .any ideas anyone? I started the car while on the lift and when the wheels spin freely, you don't hear the sound. But once you are on the road, whether the car is driving or coasting with engine off. . .you hear the sound. I thought it was the axle at first but its not.
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#106010 - 09/05/05 10:58 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	A few pictures of work in progress. HG and ARP headstuds. . . New IM gasket. . . Valves Steve sent, seated with new guides. Head and cams install. . . GE VTEC kit adapter; with Endyn breather kit nipple to the right. . . Car on lift after motor went in. . . After valves adjustment the day after, I changed the valve cover.
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#106011 - 09/05/05 12:55 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	that looks so nice. cant wait to c what it puts down. right now ur still using a stock b16 head right, cams & all? so did u build the thing urself or did someone else do it? _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106012 - 09/05/05 12:56 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
surubasi00 surubasi00 Post Master Sr Registered: 01/07/03 Posts: 3792 Loc: VA	dude those pistons look sexy.... did you get the problems sorted? Dave _________________________ Turns out my dog is allergic to peanuts. - FortCollins
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#106013 - 09/05/05 04:44 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Quote: that looks so nice. cant wait to c what it puts down. right now ur still using a stock b16 head right, cams & all? so did u build the thing urself or did someone else do it? Yeah the B16 head is completely stock. The only thing I did not do is what the machine shop did, ie. honing block, press in pistons to rods, install new guides and the valves, and tap the head. I assembled the block at home then took it to the shop, where two of my friends helped me with the rest. Quote: did you get the problems sorted There is still a knocking sound coming from what seems to be the tranny. Oil leak has stopped, and got a oil pressure guage yesterday to keep tabs on that. Should be getting and installing a FPR in a few hours.
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#106014 - 09/05/05 10:17 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	awesome! nice work! _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106015 - 09/06/05 12:08 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Thanks! Fine misc. stuff to get now include, bigger injectors (thinking 310s), FPR, OBDII - I harness, and <50% throttle tune below 5000rpm. With that said; I would like to know if there are qualified Hondata tuners in the South FL area. . .West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, North Miami??? I only know of one and its kinda far from me.
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#106016 - 09/13/05 02:27 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
jwyoung jwyoung Jr Member Registered: 01/12/05 Posts: 573 Loc: Ca, USA	what's the status?! _________________________ 00' E95P Si 178whp, 122tq on 89 octane - B16 all motor
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#106017 - 09/13/05 10:03 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Parked at home waiting on RC310s and a tune. Installed B&M FPR and gauge last week and turned fuel pressure from stock 35psi to 50psi. . .it ran a little better, no bogging at partial throttle below 4000rpm. I am also researching/thinking of Crome for tuning and selling the Hondata S200 I already have.
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#106018 - 09/13/05 02:45 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
jwyoung jwyoung Jr Member Registered: 01/12/05 Posts: 573 Loc: Ca, USA	thinking of going chrome because of the ability of tuning it has or the person needed to tune the s200? _________________________ 00' E95P Si 178whp, 122tq on 89 octane - B16 all motor
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#106019 - 09/13/05 08:01 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	From what I have read so far, its way cheaper than Hondata and has the same capabilities, if not more, as Hondata does. The same person who recommended Crome is the same person I was talking to about tuning with Hondata. So if any at all I can sell the Hondata, get Crome, and save some money in the process, I will choose that route. In my estimation, they are all the same until you get into some stand alones like AEM EMS, MoTeC, Haltech etc. the real expensive ones.
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#106020 - 10/07/05 03:41 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Ok so here is the deal, car got a WOT tune two days and is running really good as far as I can see. Its tuned with Crome and thats why I am selling the S200. VTEC is set at 5400rpm but the guy said he really wouldn't know the xover that would yield most power without a dyno. Rev. limiter is at 8296rpm but I don't go more than 7500rpm. Right now, only thing set is the AFR, idle, xover etc. I will be dyno tuning in a few weeks to tweak that, get the right VTEC xover and timing. I am also proud to say I am getting at least 32hmpg with light throttle. Don't have to go too much on the throttle to move cause the torque is great. For a stock head, I think it does well, my feeling after I've seen it run is between high 13 and low 14 on the track. Edit: I know most of you guys won't have anything to say until you see a graph with numbers. Edited by b6ixteen (10/07/05 03:42 PM)
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#106021 - 10/07/05 04:23 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	awesome! so is the same guy that is doing ur street tuning now going to be the guy that dyno tunes it also? I dont know how all u guys get such great gas mileage. Even when I'm really easy on my car the best I can manage is between 23-25mpg. Mostly city driving though w/ tons of stop lights. Although I guess its good that my gas mileage is still about the same as what i was getting stock. _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106022 - 10/07/05 08:59 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Yeah same guy doing the dyno tuning as well, cause he has all the information of my setup stored on his laptop. The gas mileage is a result of having the car run a bit lean at partial throttle or highway driving. Then the O2 sensor will do minor corrections to the AFR.
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#106023 - 10/09/05 05:41 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
eg2.0LT eg2.0LT Newbie Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 60 Loc: NOR T.O	my buddy has pretty much the same set-up stock b20 block with valve reliefs cut out, pr3 head b16 cams type r intake mani-throttle body oversize-compression is like just over 10.0 and is making 184whp 151torque with a tune and cam gears ajusted. if i were u i would go with wiseco piston and h beam rods, here in canada every all motor street competitor is using that block with stock parts but the head is shaved to the max making over 200whp
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#106024 - 10/09/05 07:54 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Questions and Issues!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	The motor is already built if you didn't read that part of the thread. I will list the parts when I do the dyno, cause I ended up with a little more than I planned. But yeah I have Wiseco 10.8:1 pistons.
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#106025 - 10/16/05 02:16 AM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	So I went to the tracks last night. These are my best 3 times of 5 passes. Other passes were 15.1xx and 15.0xx, these were testing launch point/shift point since it was my first time with this motor. With all the runs, I have some serious traction issues even with the drag radials. These are launching at ~4000rpm and shifting at ~7600rpm. I am in right lane for each. Overall I am happy with the times and I know I am capable of much better (see 60'), so I will just do some more practising with this new setup. vs Mustang GT. . . ____________________ vs Integra LS (think stock). . . ___________vs Fully gutted EG w/stock B16 My setup: If its not mentioned, its stock. Block: B20B ACL race bearings Eagle H-beam rods w/ARP rod bolts Wiseco 10.8:1 pistons KMS block guard Head: Stock B16A2/PR3 Tranny: Stock S4 Toda lightened flywheel (~10lbs) Some stage 1 clutch. Misc.: AutoZone 3" SRI w/ K&N filter DC Sports 4-1 (not 2.5" collector) 2.5" exhaust piping back ARP headstuds Golden Eagle VTEC conversion kit EnDyn crankase breather kit RC 370cc injectors B&M FPR and fuel pressure gauge (set at 50psi) Autometer oil pressure gauge GSR water pump, oil pump, timing belt OBD2b to OBD1 conversion harness Chipped P28 w/Crome EMS (AFR WOT street tuned) Motor Pic. I'll copy this to the first page so new people can see it on the front. Thanks to all for help on build/parts/advice etc. Dyno still to come.
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#106026 - 10/16/05 01:09 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	looks good so far. ur traping about 1 mph quicker then me. like u said drop the 60's & it will look even better. too much torque to handle, huh . that thing's gonna be pretty dam quick once u get a better header & cams. _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106027 - 10/16/05 01:23 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Yeah the torque is pretty harsh, I cannot launch at 5000rpm or more. I have my AGXs adjusted accordingly and good psi in the radials, and tried launching there on one pass. The car was hopping and moving from side to side and when I shifted to second, I got so much jerk it flung me back and my radar detector off the windscreen. Yeah I am going to try work on a better header for now. Then I will do IM, TB, cams & valvetrain. Or should I go cams first? If I get R cams, I will just drop them in as is. Edit: I also have a video, if anyone wants to host it or let me know where I can host it. That would be . Edited by b6ixteen (10/16/05 01:26 PM)
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#106028 - 10/16/05 01:30 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
strsi strsi Post Master Jr Registered: 10/26/04 Posts: 1789 Loc: CA	if it were me i'd do cams first. sounds nice though. nice job on the build! now i cant wait to see the dyno _________________________ 2000 EBP Si 181.5whp, 119wtq- All Motor B16 1994 EG Hatch 2000 BMW 328ci 207 Forever- RIP
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#106029 - 10/16/05 05:44 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	Thanks. I will try get some cams before dynoing then. I just want a nice torque curve and I know that should look good. When I ran the GT, I left him all the way to 4th he passed me just near the end of the 1/4 mile. And I thought he would have left me cause of the torque those cars got.
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#106030 - 10/18/05 04:45 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
surubasi00 surubasi00 Post Master Sr Registered: 01/07/03 Posts: 3792 Loc: VA	maybe i missed it but have you dyno'd it yet? Dave _________________________ Turns out my dog is allergic to peanuts. - FortCollins
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#106031 - 10/18/05 06:55 PM Re: B20B/B16A2 Frankenstein Build. . .Numbers In!!
b6ixteen b6ixteen Post Master Jr Registered: 12/29/04 Posts: 1846 Loc: Florida	No I haven't. I think I might get some other mods before I do, at least some cams. But I could just do like a 2 pulls (~$40 at local shop) to see the power, only thing is there would be no torque reading, and I am interested to see the torque.
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